Description

Despite always tinkering with builds and hardware for others, this is the first "new" PC I've built for my own personal use in over 5 years. My last system was a mid tower with an 4790k + 290x and I've always wanted to give ITX a go. This probably isn't as "high end" as my last build but I've been noticing that I don't really play intensive games as much anymore so I decided to go with mid range components this time.

As I've been less inclined to chase ultra settings and huge framerates these days, instead I set out to build a sleek and aesthetic system that would look nice on my desk.

Part Reviews

CPU

This was my first AMD cpu, coming from a 4790k. I definitely expected a lot from this cpu due to the hype surrounding ryzen 3000 cpu's. In terms of performance, I have no complaints. Excellent upgrade from a 4790k, 6 cores and 12 threads with better single threaded performance too. Benches well (3.5k in cinebench r20 stock) and performs very well in games.

However, I would say that coming from Intel, there were a few little things I was disappointed with. First was temps. This is not to say the 4790k I moved from wasn't a hot cpu (in fact it was one of the hottest intel ever made). But I was expecting better thermals from a relatively low TDP chip. The stock wraith stealth cooler is awful - legit on the same level as Intel stock coolers. Idle temps on all stock were about 45c and load temps (OCCT, Prime95, AIDA64) hit 95c easily. Thankfully a Hyper 212 was able to mostly resolve this issue dropping idles to 30c and load temps to anywhere from 75-85c (depending on fan speed).

It seems temps are a huge issue with this cpu, give it a google search and you'll find heaps of similar complaints. The 3600 also has a few annoying quirks with it, a lot of people have reported overvolting on stock settings. I noticed this too with idle voltages at 1.4-1.5v before a BIOS update and latest AMD chipset drivers resolved this. The 3600 also has very "jumpy" temperatures as it hits boost so when under load, even if the average load temps are sitting at 75c, you will notice periodic jumps to 85c every 5 seconds. Not a major problem but just a minor annoyance as you will need to set a delay to your fan curve, otherwise it will ramp up and down like crazy.

Lastly, yes overclocking is supported on the 3600, which is great because Intel only allows overclocking on their K series chips. The problem here is that the 3600 is a terrible overclocker. The stock 3600 boosts up to 4.2ghz already yet very few have managed to surpass 4.4ghz (a negligible increase) even with massive voltages. I myself, seem to have scored a pretty good chip (stable at 4.2ghz on just 1.2v) yet I was not able to overclock much at all. This cpu has another quirk that makes finding a stable overclock hard as systems may be deceptively stable with low voltages. You may find the system to be "stable" at a certain voltage, but when you run cinebench it will show very low scores as the chip may be "stable" enough not to crash but actually requires more voltage to run correctly. Again, not a massive deal, just an extra step you need to undertake when overclocking and it wouldn't affect most people anyway as there really isn't a need to overclock the 3600 anyways.

Overall, this cpu gets 4 stars from me. I know I probably highlighted its flaws a bit more than its pros, but let me reiterate, its performance and value is undeniable, it's more than enough for gaming and the 3600 is very impressive in that regard. You would be hard pressed to find a GPU that would be bottlenecked by this chip. I've docked a star simply because there are a few minor quirks/ issues with temps, voltages and overclocking that people should know about but they all have workarounds/ fixes.

CPU Cooler

Tried and trusted Hyper 212 with a little extra bling. Comes with twin 120mm white LED fans for a push/ pull setup. I was only able to fit the push fan as my ITX system was too crammed to fit the second fan. Cooling performance is as expected (it's the same old hyper 212 underneath), it dropped the load temps on my Ryzen 5 3600 from 95c to 85c on a quiet fan profile. The included fans can be run at fairly low rpm (700rpm~) and so can be pretty much silent at idle although they do get noticeably louder above 1000rpm. Cranking the included fan up lowers the temp further to the high 70's but this comes at the cost of extra noise.

Not much else to say, it's a hyper 212 after all. Possibly a bit pricier than other alternatives out there, but it comes with dual fan and it's white so it fit my build perfectly.

Motherboard

Pretty pleased with this board. One of the best looking b450 ITX boards out there, very sleek black and silver aesthetic which is probably the biggest reason why I chose it. Has RGB (yay), 2 RGB headers (5v + 12v), 2 fan headers and an AIO pump header (you could use a fan on this too, but the software doesn't allow you to run it any slower than 60%) which is great to see on an ITX board. VRMs have been sufficient for my ryzen 5 3600 with some light overclocking and they have a sizeable heatsink on them too.

BIOS is fairly easy to use, EZ flash process was easy, although mine was already preflashed to work with a ryzen 5 3600. Onboard audio is among one of the better ones. Onboard wifi is sadly a Realtek so it's a bit finnicky with drivers, but once you get it working, it's fine.

Asus software is generally pretty good. AURA Sync works very well with my Inwin case + fans RGB. Only complaint would be the fan control in fan xpert 3 is very hard to get working right. It's not as intuitive as with other boards and is quite glitchy and slow, but does get the job in the end.

Overall a great ITX motherboard with a minimalist aesthetic (no crazy colours on it thank god).

Memory

Great value kit of RAM. I had no problems running this kit stable at its advertised voltage, timings and speed (3200mhz). The only minor gripe is that I could not simply select the DOCP profile and run it on my Asus B450I ROG board. I had to manually input the settings but this took 10 seconds. The RGB is pretty nice (was controllable via Asus Aura on my B450I) and the white colour fits in well with the rest of my build.

Storage

I already had this from my old system purchased probably about 5 years ago. To this day, still reliable and fast after daily usage and I have reused it in this build as a boot drive.

Storage

I also reused this from my old build. Again, probably about 5 years old by now. These drives have very high failure rates but mine is still working reliably performance wise. It has now started making more noise (I suspect this is due to the way it is now mounted vertically) and I suspect its days are probably numbered but I've gotten 5 years of daily usage out of it and its performance is the same so I can't complain too much.

Case

This is a fairly compact ITX case that actually fits full size components (long gpu, tall cpu cooler and full size PSU). It looks super sleek and comes in white which is what I was going for.

Quite difficult to build in as with a lot of ITX cases, I found myself on several occasions having to remove parts in order to gain enough space to put other parts although I assume this is fairly standard with Small Form Factor. Cable management was difficult but I managed to cram a lot into this case, making it look clean and even used sleeved cable extensions as well as fitting a 3.5" HDD inside the front of the case (the case has no actual 3.5" drive mounts).

Included PSU is ok. I have not experienced any issues with it like many have reported with the original Inwin A1 psu. Interestingly, the PSU cables are all pre-routed from the factory in an attempt to assist with cable management but I undid all this to do my own cable management. This is an upgraded 650w 80+ Gold unit and definitely sufficient for my fairly low end ryzen 5 3600 + gtx 1060 build. My only gripe is that its fan is definitely audible in my otherwise silent build, especially at load. The PSU shroud is a nice addition, although this is black from the factory so I have resprayed it white.

This might seem like quite an expensive case but factor in what it includes and it's a different story. You're getting a premium ITX case + 650W 80+ Gold PSU + included qi charger for about $250 AUD which is actually really good value.

Only real complaint would be that it is still a tad big for my liking. Its volume still exceeds 20L and its perhaps a touch wider than I would have liked. It's actually a few cm wider than my old full ATX mid tower.

Custom

This is one of the cheaper gtx 1060's out there but it performs great nonetheless. It actually benchmarked higher in some cases than my other 1060 which is a GALAX model. It has a neat little turbo button on the back (not sure what it does, I've always run it on turbo).

Runs very quiet, very cool, idle temps are only a couple degrees above ambient and the load temps sit at about 67c. However, I think one of the fan bearings is starting to go as there is a sometimes audible ticking noise coming from one fan. My only other complaint would be the coil whine, which is pretty loud compared to what i've experienced. Changing psu's did not fix the whine.

I've had this card for about 2 years now so I'm once again reusing an "old" part in this build. The original colour scheme of the card was red + black so to make it fit my current build, I resprayed the shroud and backplate white. Some wet sanding and cutting compound on the backplate made it real shiny and I think it really compliments the look of the pc. For an original purchase price of $260 AUD 2 years ago, I'm pretty happy with it.

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Comments

968rs
  • 4 years 8 months ago

This build looks great! I keep “trying” to create all-white builds, but haven’t tried to paint anything. Also, hackintosh boot makes RGB cooperation near impossible. Can you delineate which parts you painted? Super clean

Obviouslyhax
  • 4 years 8 months ago

Yea sure. I only had to paint a couple things - the PSU shroud (which comes in black for some weird reason) and the gpu- which was also black from factory.

I followed pretty much the same process fo both, except I had to remove the gpu shroud and backplate first. I started by scuffing up the surfaces to be painted with a grey scuffing pad and scuffing paste. You could also use 600 grit wet sandpaper. Here you could start with a few coats of primer and then sand it down again for the best paint adhesion. I went straight to paint because I didn't have any primer on hand. I did 4 coats of paint (first coat light, last coat heavy).

Afterwards I did some wet sanding with 2000 grit and then buffed it with a cutting compound to bring out the shine. Again this is optional

diplomat99
  • 4 years 5 months ago

Is there a mount for the 3.5 inch drive you have in the case? Or did you improvise?

I just bought this case, and am looking to reuse one of my 3.5 inch drives along with an NVME, until i eventually replace it with an ssd.

The all white is a clean look.

alexsack
  • 4 years 8 months ago

clean man. love the all white.

zxLv
  • 4 years 8 months ago

Just wondering, how did you get the chip stable at 4.2 ghz 1.2V? Did you tweak it via BIOS only or through Ryzen Master? And what power balance plan that you choose?

Obviouslyhax
  • 4 years 8 months ago

I used ryzen master to quickly adjust and test. Once I found a stable setting I put it into the BIOS.

I think I just got lucky with my CPU. I've heard a lot of people complain they can't hit 4.2ghz at 1.35v let alone 1.2v.

I'm on the ryzen performance power plan. I think most recommend to use ryzen balanced but in my experience there isn't too much of a difference

zxLv
  • 4 years 8 months ago

What kind of stress test did you run to test if it's stable or not?

Obviouslyhax
  • 4 years 8 months ago

OCCT small data set with AVX, Prime95 small fft, AIDA64 CPU+ FPU and finally a few runs of cinebench to make sure performance hadn't dropped as a result of the low voltage.

Mikey321.
  • 4 years 8 months ago

Awesome looking build. FYI your 4790k is about dead even to your 3600.

Bronstet
  • 4 years 8 months ago

Nice work. You might want to grab a pair of slim 120mm fans to get a push/pull setup on the CPU cooler if you really want one.

CloudStrife79
  • 4 years 8 months ago

Well damn, if I would have saw this 2 weeks ago I would have done it.. instead I did the similar but went with a V22 case all white midtower but I wanted to go smaller.

John-F-Kennedys-Downfall
  • 4 years 5 months ago

This looks amazing and when I checked out the parts I was even more impressed! It is worth the £810 that it costs in the UK, but I want to reduce the cost - can you suggest anything I could substitute for the parts you've used? I might end up building this myself!

cwyl02
  • 4 years 4 months ago

This is a beautiful, sick build!!! I mean, the color, the cable management.. You really pushed to the limit (in terms of the interior space) of the build.

I made my 1st build with the same CPU, and the same case. I am amazed that you got your 212 fan installed -- that's what I got at the beginning but found it hard to install so returned and bought a noctua low-profile fan.

Also, where do you put the 3.5 HDD? On the case spec I read there is no 3.5 bay so I ended up with 2.5 HDD. Did you modified the 2.5 drive mounts on the back?